Wednesday, April 12, 2006

So what is "organ harvesting" anyways? Sounds terrible. Well, it happens in most country every day - it's called "organ donation".

Okay, how about illegal organ harvesting? (assuming the politically biased whatever you are reading isn't trying to mislead you with "organ harvesting *wink**wink**bad*"...)

Well, don’t' know where you are, but illegal organ harvesting happens in USA too. Recently New York broke a string of cases where thousands of people had organ donation form faked, bones and organs "harvested". The body is stuffed with plastic bags and propped up with PVC pipes and returned to loved ones.

Okay, let's just be honest and get to it - them damned Chinese harvests organs from executed prisoners. God damn evil chicom...

First, here's a report about a guy who turned himself in for killing his wife’s lover. Before he was to pay with his life, he decided to donate his organ as last act of redemption, and willed the organ donation compensation fund paid by the state to the victim’s family. In his interview he indicated the reason he called for press is to help bring awareness to organ donation in China:

Many such cases exists in China:

Some people would simply disregard Chinese media's reporting about themselves, insisting on what they know about China, like Buddhist culture and people's desire to die "whole" (probably learned from the movie "The Last Emperor".)

It probably is still true to some degree, but folks forget most Chinese are not criminals. Does one really believe "wholeness" applies to criminals in Buddhism? Above article demonstrates a common rationale for the condemned to consent to organ donation - the Buddhist desire for redemption.

You may find this irrational and indefensible.

But just for reference US allows death row inmate to donate organ to relatives on a case-by-case basis, and there are state legislations in proposal. Also until very recently Republic Of China (Taiwan) allowed this too.

Chinese culture and Buddhist religious foundation makes organ donation difficult to promote. However the condemned often seek redemption and last act of contribution to family and society, under the same cultural and religious foundation.

Yes, the Chinese government's organ donation compensation fund seems to be direct at this population, but its aim is to promote organ donation.

You may find faults in it. But who are we to deny their reality, and self-righteously accuse them with our Western sensitivity?

I do recognize there are abuses and irregularity, after all even in our own society where organ donation is more accepted, there are abuses and irregularity still.

But does this constitute “Auschwitz”?


Blogger Bob Waters said...

This doesn't.

Seventy three million of its own people murdered by the Bejing regime since 1928 constitutes many, many, many worse Auchwiczs. You see, the Chinese are much worse than Hitler.

No, what stealing the organs from dead people constitutes isn't Auchwicz. Just the intolerable disregard for the rights and dignity of the individual which is the hallmark of one of the most vicious police states in history.

BTW, my Chinese friend, you might want to consider having one blog and
putting all your entries on it, rather than starting an entirely new blog for each entry. Just a tip from someone a bit more familiar with
the way these American blog things are supposed to work.

4:22 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Let me remind you, again, our genocide of Native Americans is unmatched in human history, including the Chinese.

And you seem to be ignorant of when CCP came to power in China.

Bob, I believe I already told you I'm not Chinese. I've never met a paster that is a bigot, not even a Southern Baptist, so I refuse to believe you are such.

Most Americans don't blog, including me. I don't intend to make a habbit of this, since I know full well, based on history, all this *rhetoric* will get dialed down, and eventually forgotten - until the next time the Chinese leaders visit.

Just look at your own blog archive. You don't feel a little manipulated?

Sorry, until then you'll have to put up with my amature acts.

10:26 AM  
Blogger Truth It Is said...

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7:31 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

How can you expect any one to take a throw-away account seriousely?

J, if you use your real account, I promoise I will respond to your satisfaction.

9:56 AM  
Blogger max said...

Be careful people, this is a propaganda agent of the CCP. They are "going round taking names". If (or should I say when?) they invade Canada you guys will be on the execution lists. In the meantime, they will try to figure out way and means to punish you and silence you. If you are overseas Chinese they will target you and may even try to personally strong arm you. They have targeted Canada's resources as valuable and are actively trying to protect and extend their financial investments in Canada with propaganda spin.
It is night and day between Canada and China. It is night and day between Totalitarianism and Democracy.
Don't believe their lies and spin.
there is not a single free newspaper or radio or TV service in Chain.
This is a good example of their propaganda. Imagine what it is like in China where they own all the news agencies and spin their garbage 24/7. People are defencless against it. They are experts at pretending black is white and white is black , they have been doing it for over 50 years.

10:49 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Max, I know you are into fiction, but do you have any proof of your accusation?

(Or should I just counter-acccuse you of being on the take to post such baseless accusation, and our 5 year old ego can call it even?)

If you or your friends are in Seattle, just name the place, I'll be happy to put your "propaganda agent of the CCP" fear to rest.

Email me to make proper arrangement. Or turn me in to the authority. Talking trash in cyberspace is for little children.

1:14 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Or should I call you "blogblugger"?

1:22 PM  
Blogger Truth It Is said...

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11:53 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

At least I don't live in the shadow with a throw-away account.

12:45 PM  
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7:04 PM  
Blogger Truth It Is said...

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7:05 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

This article had no mention of "Auschwitz" or "Sujiatun"

What happened? Is it because US State Dept discredited this outlandish claim?

You should be outraged by Epoch Times NY's outlandish claim too - not only have they discredited your cause, they also disrespected the Jewish people's suffering by taking the Holocaust in vain.

Shame on you.

8:10 AM  
Blogger Cream said...

During an autopsy the organs are not always removed and when one or two are they are always put back in the body as they are not usable except for research purposes. I have been in the medical profession since 1978 and I find the Bobby Fletcher's remarks on organ harvesting and autopsies are not only groundless but also medically unethical. If an organ was to be donated for research during autopsy or to be used for other purposes there must always be consetn given by the family of the deceased. We have seen what has happened in Europe and Africa with regards to genocides and persecutions. There is also the Memorial of Sighet in Romania, which houses the International Studies on Communism and was the sight of a horrific persecution before becoming a place for study. Body parts of dead prisoners from around Europe during the second World War were used for all kinds of experiments without any consent from family who were often not notified of the death or where abouts of the person. It is highly possible that Falun Gong and others in China are being persecuted to such an extent that their organs could be removed before death and within 20 minutes after death. After 20 minutes they are no longer usable and are considered dead tissue that is not revivable. The only tissue that can possibly be used is skin kept in a skin bank. The law always states "guilty until proven innocent" so we must hold the CCP in this regard until we can prove they are innocent without the use of lies. How would we feel if the world came up with photos and substantial evidence that opened up such a crime and persecution and earlier we denied it was happening. Bobby how do you feel right now about any persecution that is going on anywhere in the world.? Do you promote it or do you deny it is happening? Or do you want to do something to end that violence? I would not want to be the person with their face in their hands once the organ harvesting and persecution of anyone in China is fully revealed. You will never be believed again. It is better to air on the side of caution and think this could really be going on.

12:04 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

cream, the proof the photo showed autopsy came from Falun Gong themselves:

I also asked a pathology professor to review the photos.

12:31 PM  
Blogger nguyen-viet-nam said...

In China, Organ harvesting is not new. A few year ago, a former military doctor in Chinese People Army, testified in US Congress in which he testified CCP ordered doctors to cut off organs from prisioners even though the prisoners were still breathing.
CCP murdered millions of Chinese people, their own people!!! no strange. CCP is a blood thirst party. CCP only concerns about its power. Chinese people are just tools. No more, no less. What I don't believe is many people still believe in communism, just like Bobby F. Maybe Bobby F. is an agent from CCP. In this case, my salute to comrade Bobby. Comrade, your job is poorly done to fool people. You can not fool anyone here at all. Not like in China, CCP treats people like ducks, that's why when CCP uses a stick all the ducks just follow. Not here comrade Bobby. Go back to Bejing and learn a new trick.

12:39 PM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

Do Falun Gong disciple always accuse people who don't agree with them as spies?

Where's your proof? Where's your Truth?

Thank you for showing the world what Falun Gong disciples are really like!

10:57 PM  
Blogger nguyen-viet-nam said...

I'm a Vietnamese by birth. I lived in VN and imprisoned by Vietnamese communist. I have seen, read and heard similar things like those of Bobby F. in this blog. I can't turn my eyes blind to the lying, deception since it once killed me in the forced labor camp until I escaped it. I don't want to see anyone deceived by these lying words. "Do not believe in whatever the communist says, just look closely to what communist does". When Communist kills innocent people, it says those innocent people are spies. When it kills innocent farmers, it says farmers are anti-people force. When it kills workers, it says workers are counter-revolution force. Communist is killer, murderer. Organ harvesting is just to kill people, but for this, CCP is making money, too. CCP now has Ph.D in Economics.

10:25 AM  
Blogger bobby fletcher said...

I'm sorry, you are not making sense. This blog is not about communism, nor do I cite anything from communist soure. My article is from US source, such as Wall Street Journal.

Where's your Truth?

5:17 PM  

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